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GAYS AND JESUS

EUNUCHS

HOMOSEXUALS

BIBLICAL COMMENTS OF JESUS ON HOMOSEXUALS

This page is not meant to condone, or condemn
anything.

I realize that other writers in the Bible take a different
approach to homosexuality.

I AM  CONCENTRATING  ONLY ON THE JESUS

COMMENTS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALITY

AS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE

DOES THE GAY LIFE STYLE OFFEND YOU ?

If you are offended by gays and their life style, that is your business, and you have every right to express yourself as you desire within the law.

THE RELIGIOUS  POINT OF VIEW  

My concern however is with the comments I see from the religious.

They stand on the Bible and declare that the gay

life style is sin etc. etc.

THE BIBLE SUGGESTS THAT JESUS HAD

NO PROBLEMS WITH GAYS

If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, then you may

want to rethink

your position on the subject , because Jesus obviously

had no problem with gays.

EUNUCH

WHAT IS A EUNUCH ?

To understand this, you must first consider the nature

of the word Eunuch.

A Eunuch to most people is a castrated male.

But we have to define the word as it was used in the cultures

several thousand years ago.

The word gay did not mean homosexual several

thousand years ago.

and in fact,

many Eunuchs rose to great stature in ancient

social structures.

FOR OUR STUDY WE WILL CONSIDER

THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE

WHO WERE DEFINED AS

EUNUCHS IN BIBLICAL TIMES.

A EUNUCH SPECIFICALLY WAS A MALE WHO

WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN

These were the three kinds of Eunuchs as so

defined in Biblical times.

THE EUNUCHS AND ROMAN LAW

The Eunuch who would not have sex because of religion

was not covered under Roman law.

There was no reference to them in the law .

THE LAWS APPLYING TO EUNUCHS ARE FOUND

IN ROMAN LAW

 AS LEX JULIA ET PAPIA

In ancient Roman Law it is laid out by the

    Roman jurist Ulpian

in a document known as

Lex Julia et Papia, Book 1 (Digest 50.16.128)

 "Eunuch is a general designation:

the term includes those who are

eunuchs by nature, as well as  those

who are  mutilated.

So the Roman Jurist Ulpian specifically addressed two kinds

of eunuchs in the law.

The mutilated ones, and the natural ones.

EUNUCHS BY NATURE

AND

EUNUCHS MUTILATED

"In stature the jurist Ulpian places the

natural eunuchs first. "

UNDER ROMAN LAW THE NATURAL EUNUCH HAD

STATURE OVER THE MUTILATED EUNUCH

THE LAW

The law (D 28.2.6)

says that someone who cannot easily procreate

is nonetheless entitled to institute a posthumous heir,

but it gives

no concrete examples of such a man.

"eunuch" holds this right as well,

while "castrated men" expressly do not.

And so here, the jurist Ulpian refers to the

non castrated man as a eunuch,

and refers to the castrated as castrated men.

NATURAL EUNUCHS COULD MARRY

AND ADOPT CHILDREN

THE LAW

Whole eunuchs who were freemen, unlike mutilated eunuchs,

were eligible for marriage and for adopting children

(D 23.3.39.1, 28.2.6).

 In fact, anatomically whole eunuchs had all

the rights and duties

of ordinary men.

Whole Eunuchs means nothing was missing.

NATURAL EUNUCHS WERE THOSE

WE REFER TO TODAY AS GAYS

Ancient law differentiated between natural Eunuchs, 

and mutilated Eunuchs.

Natural Eunuchs were homosexual men of that time,

and had all rights and duties of ordinary men.

CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA WARNS

AGAINST EUNUCHS

Clement of Alexandria warned Christians

against the evils of eunuch

servants being placed in charge of women,

because they will act as

pimps for the women, and moreover,

"the true eunuch is not unable,

but [merely?] unwilling to have sex."

Clement makes it clear as to who is being referred to here

AS THE TRUE EUNUCH.

Not someone who is  unable to have sex with women,

but someone who is not willing to have sex with women.

And Clement calls those not willing to have sex

THE TRUE EUNUCH

It is important to see that this Catholic Saint makes

it abundantly

clear that the true eunuch is one who is

capable of sexual activity.

JOSEPHUS, AND THE FEMININE SOUL

The following is a very interesting statement from Josephus.

Josephus, in Jewish Antiquities IV 8,40,

indicated that in the case

of some, since "it is evident that their soul has become

effeminate,

they have transfused that effeminacy to their body also."

THE FEMININE ASPECT OF THE PERSON IS WITHIN THEM

THE MOST FAMOUS JEWISH HISTORIAN

PLINY THE ELDER

CALLS THEM HALF MALE

Pliny the Elder assigned eunuchs and hermaphrodites to the

"third gender called half-male,"

The definition of hermaphrodite.

One having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs.

Today we would call that person trans sexual.

THE QUR'AN

Although the Qur'an never uses the word khasy,

it recognizes that

not all persons are male or female and 

that there are some people who are

aqim, or "ineffectual,"109  and some men

who "lack the primary skills of males.

SUETONIUS ABOUT THE EMPEROR TITUS

AND HIS EUNUCHS AND CATAMITES

  SUETONIUS                                        EMPEROR TITUS           

In this piece we read about the concern expressed 

by Suetonius

who was a Roman historian and wrote much about Roman

history and the emperors.

Suetonius expresses concern about the emperor Titus being

involved with homosexuals and those who

practice sex with boys.

Suetonius said of the emperor Titus that

"he was suspected of excess;

and likewise of lust because of his crowds of

catamites and eunuchs."91

Titus would certainly not lust after eunuchs if they

were missing genitalia.

Suetonius is clearly speaking of a homosexual desire.

ABOVE:

THE CATAMITE WAS A BOY WHO GAVE HIMSELF IN

THE SERVICE OF SEX TO A MAN.

Suetonius expresses his concern about the

Emperor Titus having

homosexual sex with eunuchs, and with boys.

APULEIUS SAYS, THEY CALL EACH OTHER GIRLS

             Apuleius

was a writer of prose, and a student of Plato.

Apuleius, 

tells of a band of "half-men" [semiviri],

1 who call each other "girls" [puellae] and

have sex with young men,

both as active and as passive partners.

2 They also act as cultic priests of the Mother Goddess,

a traditional role for eunuchs.

It is quite common today to hear homosexual

men refer to each other as "Girl".

HOMOSEXUALS OF THAT TIME, AS I HAVE SHOWN,

WERE REFERRED TO

AS NATURAL EUNUCHS.

PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN THAT WAY

WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT 

EUNUCHS IN GENERAL

AND NATURAL EUNUCHS IN PARTICULAR

JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY

SOME MEN DID NOT MARRY

Jesus starts off by telling the people that the

only time a man can

divorce his wife is if she is guilty of fornication.

 Matthew 19:9. 

Whosoever shall put away his wife,

except it be for fornication,

and shall marry another, commits  adultery:

and whoever marries her also commits adultery.

In commenting on this, Jesus disciples say,

" well if that's the case, then its better

not to get married.

Matthew 19:10.

His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so

with his wife, it is not good to marry.

The Discussion Then Changed To

Why Some Men Do Not Marry

Matthew 19:11.

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,

save they to whom it is given.

In talking about reasons why some men do not marry,

Jesus limits the discussion to Eunuchs.

Matthew 19:12.

For there are some eunuchs,

which were so born from their mother's womb:

These are the natural Eunuchs, that are referred to today as

Gay, or Homosexual

And there are some eunuchs, which were

made eunuchs of men:

There are the castrated or mutilated Eunuchs.

And there be eunuchs, which have

made themselves eunuch

for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

There are the men who abstain from sex

for religious purposes.

NOTICE THAT THE MEN WHO ABSTAIN FROM SEX FOR

RELIGIOUS PURPOSES ARE PERFECTLY NORMAL,

BUT JESUS ALSO REFERS TO

THEM AS EUNUCHS, BECAUSE THE WON'T

HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN

He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Jesus knew that there would be people who

would reject his teaching.

It is amazing to me that the ones who reject it most, are CHRISTIANS.

ROMAN LAW AT JESUS TIME DESCRIBED

NATURAL EUNUCHS

AS WE WOULD GAYS TODAY.

AND JESUS CONFIRMED THAT THEY

ARE BORN THAT WAY

HERE IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO

CHOOSE WHOM TO ACCEPT

 THE  CHURCH    

OR JESUS CHRIST

ON THIS SUBJECT,

THE CHURCH AND JESUS CHRIST DISAGREE

YOU CAN'T BE ANTI GAY AND

A FOLLOWER OF JESUS

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ANTI GAY

You can be anti Gay if you wish.

As you can see.

He did not feel that way.

JESUS CHRIST DID NOT MAKE

ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT

GAY PEOPLE OF THAT TIME

You certainly have a right to disapprove of

the Gay life style.

JESUS SAYS NATURAL EUNUCHS (TODAYS GAYS)

ARE BORN THAT WAY FROM THEIR MOTHERS WOMB

If Jesus says that some are born that way from their mothers womb and if as the religious say  those within the womb are creations of God:

That means that those whom the religious  may not approve of,

are creations of God. 

BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO HAVE THE BIBLE TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

HE PICKED KING JAMES 1 WHO WAS GAY

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